Open Thread Thursday (7/31)

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  1. Muels   July 31, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    I like the switch in bringing up the latest comments to the top of the website- good move!

  2. Casey   July 31, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Trying to facilitate everyone’s Clipboard experience. 🙂

  3. Muels   July 31, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    OK Clipboard…
    Good trade or Bad trade for each team involved:

    Manny being Manny in Hollywood…
    LA Dodgers get Manny
    Red Saux get Jason Bay
    Pirates get Hansen, Moss from Boston- LaRoache, Morris (AA) from Dodgers

    Muels take…
    Dodgers give up 2 prospects for the chance to test drive Manny for two months+…Good- not much to lose with Manny playing for a new contract, but somebody help me, which is a larger left field, Fenway or Chavez?…

    Red Saux give up 2 major league bench players with uncertain future value and $7 million (plus a player they were sure to drop at the end of the season) for a solid left fielder with decent power and good glove… Good, but it is clear to me that they paid more than they wanted to, but beggers can’t be choosers and they did what they had to do- yes, HAD TO DO…

    Pirates gave up a solid major leaguer (RE: salary higher than they wanted to pay) for 4 players they won’t have to pay until they want to trade them for more prospects… Great deal in their minds, but more proof that Pittsburgh is not a true baseball town, or at least franchise…

  4. Casey   July 31, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Wow – the Saux must have really grown tired of Manny’s act. I kinda thought they would give up Manny and that was it. But two more guys to boot?

    Of course time will tell – but wouldn’t we want Manny in our lineup while he is proving his worth for the market? Guess not when he won’t run out ground balls.

    Jason Bay is a .280 hitter in Pittsburgh…yeah welcome to the AL East.

  5. Smitty   July 31, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    I don’t think Manny would have found a way to be as disruptive as possible. He has bailed on the Sox before at the end of the season and I am sure he would have done it again. Plus can you imagine the emotional toll it would have taken on the players to put up with his act just to have his bat in the lineup?

    Ironically, Manny thinks he is going to get $100 million after this season for 4 years from some team? Who is going to pay that money for a guy you can’t trust to run out every ground ball, play every day or not have a brain fart in the OF?? I slam A-Rod all of the time, but at this point I would take A-Rod over Manny easily.

    His comments about the front office were out of line and ridiculous. He talks about Nomar and Pedro – but was the front office wrong about either situation? They said in the last game he played for the Sox, it took him over 5 seconds 3 times for him to get from home to first running.. Have fun Joe Torre.

    A month from now Tito is going to get a phone call:

    Francona: ” Hello? ”

    Torre: ” Tito is that you, its me – Torre ?”

    Francona: “Ummmmmmm… yeah its me. What do you want. ??”

    Torre: ” How did you put up with this crap for 5 years ? It has been a month and I can’t take it anymore. Sheffield wasn’t even this bad. ”

    Francona: ” I am sorry, Terry can’t come the phone right now, please leave a message……”

  6. Casey   August 1, 2008 at 11:53 am

    After sleeping on it the best I can do is offer some wisdom from Norm Peterson: “(Manny) – can’t live with him; pass the beer nuts.”

    Theo and company did not make this move without surveying the clubhouse. Guys like Beckett, Youkilis, Papelbon, and Pedroia had to be growing weary of Manny’s goofiness.

    Will the Sox miss him in the lineup? Without a doubt – but missing Manny’s bat might be better than having to carry his dead weight. And that is what Manny was creating – dead weight.

    Maybe this will keep the Sox from making the post-season; maybe it won’t. JD Drew’s recent resurgence certainly had to play a role in expediting Manny’s exit. I am not suggesting Drew is anywhere close to be the hitter Manny is, but maybe the Sox will have to protect Papi by committee – put Drew, Lowell, and Youkilis behind him. They won’t get three run home runs, but they will get rallies.

    Correct me if I’m wrong – the Sox had two years of options on Manny’s contract worth a cool $20,000,000 per season? Is there a team out there that will offer Manny that kind of cash AND compete for the World Series?

  7. Smitty   August 1, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    That to me is the part that speaks volumes – Owners might want you traded, manager might want you out – but the players want you out? You crossed a line and there is no going back.

    I am not sure if the Red Sox are going to make the playoffs. There recent play suggests that is in jeopardy – but I expect them to play hard and as a team. Not sure that would have happened with Manny on the team. In fact I am almost sure that wouldn’t have happened.

    The thing that bothers me.. besides Manny’s lack of hustle. People are complaining that all of this could have been avoided if owners had just picked up Manny’s option for next year. I am sorry, but if you are going to investment $20 million in a player, don’t you want to make sure you are getting a return on your investment. If Manny is hitting 30 home runs and 100 RBIs – is that really worth $20 million ?
    Yes, he gives Papi protection in the lineup, but you add in lack of hustle, takes time off, average to below average fielder.. Is that adding up to $20 million?

    The fact that when they asked him to go for an MRI on his knee and he couldn’t remember which knee bothered him just speaks volumes..

  8. Wally   August 2, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    It’s hard for me to imagine the Bosox doing well in the post-season without Manny Ramirez. He’s an absolute RBI machine and a clutch hitter in big games. He’s a proven commodity for playoff success. Yes, others could step up (Drew, Ellsbury, Bay, et al) … but I really think they’re gonna miss Manny’s big bat. Will they even make the playoffs now? I still like their pitching if Beckett is healthy.

    Any views on Griffey going to the White Sox? Apparently, they inserted him right into centerfield in his first game and he played well in a Chisox win. I like having another big left-handed bat in the line-up with Thome and Pierzynski. Wonder if Junior still has the wheels to be a very good CF? Or at least good enough not to cost ’em in the playoff hunt. Dye in right and Quentin in left aren’t exactly gazelles out there. The good news: Griffey must be thrilled to be inserted squarely into the pennant race … he’ll come to play!

    I want to change my prediction from two weeks ago on the AL pennant winner. Damn, the Angels are playing great ball. Just a complete team that plays hard, aggressive, and smart … Scioscia is a top flight manager. They play NL ball with AL players … now that’s a great combination.

  9. Muels   August 2, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    The more I read about the Manny trade, the more I smell Scott Boras at work. The Boston Globe reported that one hour after the trade Boras called the Saux on behalf of Manny and if they would drop his options for each of the next two years, making him a free agent after this season, then Manny would like to stay in Boston and he promised to be on his best behavior. Are you kidding me? So his antics of the last week were basically extortion against the Red Saux. Well, he (and Boras, who was not Manny’s agent under the last contact and thus would have received exactly $0 if Manny’s option was picked up) got his wish and is in LA. Funny how now that he is in LA he is saying all the right things, including saying he will be cutting his hair and would LOVE to end his career in LA, even moving his kids from South Florida (something he never did in Boston) so that maybe the Dodgers will sign him to that 4 year/$100 million deal that Borass (oops) has told Manny he will get…best of luck Manuel…

    Jason Bay is no Manny, but maybe that is why it seems that the Boston clubhouse is back to breathing again, and the losing streak, at least for the time being, is in the rear view mirror…Here’s hoping we enjoy Jason just being Jason…

    No doubt that the Angels are the team to beat at this point, and the Rays are still at the top looking down on the rest of the AL East…

  10. Smitty   August 3, 2008 at 12:24 am

    I certainly agree that at this point, the Angels are the team to beat – but they have done this the past couple of years. Get hot in August, look like the team to beat and they slide into the playoffs, only to get knocked out.

    Maybe that will be different this year since they have added Hunter at the beginning of the year and Texiera at the trade deadline.

    The Jason Bay era has gotten off to a good start…Seems like he has the right approach to playing in Boston. Loved his qoute when he said, “when I cross the lines, it is still the same game.”

    Here is hoping that Manny is happy in LA, as it is obvious he was never happy in Boston..

  11. Smitty   August 3, 2008 at 12:27 am

    My only question is – Manny is playing the good soldier part right now.. Similar to what he was doing with Boston in the beginning of the year. How much is this is his trying to get that big last contract.

    Will the good soldier routine slowly wear off after he gets that extension….

  12. Casey   August 3, 2008 at 10:51 am


    I like the idea of Griffey in Pale Hose just not sure they can fulfill the dream of getting Junior a ring – is there any other major leaguer who has not won a World Series that is more deserving than Griffey?

    Griffey and the Reds have to be glad to get out from under the cloud that hung over them during Griffey’s tenure. Check out this list of Griff’s injuries:
    2001 – torn left hamstring
    2002 – torn left tendon and torn right hamstring
    2003 – dislocated shoulder and torn right ankle tendon
    2004 – torn right hamstring
    2006 – strained right knee tendon

    Count me among those that think the Angels are peaking waaaaaaay too early. They have a solid back end of their bullpen, but which of their starters actually intimidate opponents. Lackey is a solid pitcher, but does he really strike fear in opponents? The Angels are one good pitching staff away from elimination. Like if the Twins manage to squeak in with a wild card and play the Angels in the first round, I can see Minnesota advancing.

    The Twins’ system is amazing. They lose Santana, trade Garza, and still have enough of a staff to leave Francisco Liriano on the farm long enough for full recovery.

    Maybe the White Sox do have a chance to advance to the WS. White Sox – Cubs in October? Crazier things have happened.

    Keep it on the fair way kemosabe!

  13. Reynell   August 3, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    I love the Manny trade. Jason Bay will be a good fit in Boston. This gives Boston one of the most underrated outfields in the game, especially if Bay can learn to play the monster like Manny did. Bay’s numbers aren’t jaw dropping but he has been consistent every season he’s been in the league. I know what Manny has done, but those times have come and gone. He’s 36 and probably facing the downside of his career. Ship him out and let some team sign him in a move that’ll be more about marketing than winning games.

  14. Wally   August 4, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Casey —
    I agree … WhiteSox are not inspiring confidence … I will be quite suprised (pleasantly) if they happen to make the playoffs. Their starting pitching is way too inconsistent.

  15. Casey   August 4, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Inconsistent and starting pitching seems to be a common occurrence these days.

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